CS 286r Comments
10/6/2008
Malvika Rao |
This paper discusses market scoring rules, their costs and their modularity. Specifically it addresses logarithmic market scoring rules. Many different kinds of events require probability estimates. Hence, in practice, market scoring rules musty help people understand and manage large event spaces. They must enable people to change their estimates for certain parameters while minimizing unintended changes to other estimates. The logarithmic rule is shown to be unique in making only local inferences - if there is a bet on one event given another event, the logarithmic rule preserves the probability of the given event. Open problems for research include how to minimize the computational costs of updating market scoring rules. The computational comlexity of these updates is NP-complete. |
Malvika Rao |
The purpose of information markets is to aggregate information. Combinatorial information markets are markets where information is aggregated on the entire joint probability distribution over many variable value combinations. This paper presents market scoring rules and considers some design issues. In particular the paper seeks to address problems caused by the thin market case and irrational participation. Open areas of investigation include that of user interfaces where it is yet unclear what would be the most efficient way to handle the range of cases that are likely to arise. |
Alice Gao |
This paper introduces market scoring rules and describes the advantage of using the logarithmic version of the market scoring rules. The two main questions addressed are the cost of implementing a market scoring rule and the modularity of the logarithmic market scoring rules for combinatorial information markets. For a combinatorial market, the cost is no more than the cost for the reports of basic events. However, this calculation neglects the costs for computing and updating prices as well as implementing transactions. Also, regarding modularity, the logarithmic market scoring rule is unique in having a local inference rule such that it preserves conditional independence relations. This paper presents most of its ideas using theoretical arguments. It would be interesting to see any empirical studies done on the comparison of performances of market scoring rules versus traditional prediction markets. Also, I think the computational cost for updating prices and assets for combinatorial reports would be a huge problem in practice. So I am skeptical about the possible improvements offered by market scoring rules for combinatorial markets unless we can in some way bound these computational costs. Also, it would be interesting to see discussions of implementation issues for market scoring rules because anything that can be broken down into "infinitesimal" parts has to be supported by limited resources in practice. |
Alice Gao |
This paper introduces market scoring rule as a new technology that combines the advantages of simple scoring rules and information markets. The most important contribution of this paper is that it discusses several implementations issues for implementing marketing scoring rules. In particular, it considers issues such as how the values of variables can be represented and computational issues related to updating prices, managing user assets, and implementing transactions. Also, this paper addresses my question about the other paper on how to handle the computational costs for working with probability inferences on a large state space. Basically, the approach limits users to choosing distributions within a particular family of probability distributions. The author uses the popular Bayes net example to illustrate this implementation choice. After I read David Pennock's blog, I am surprised to realize that, even though the idea of using market scoring rules is pretty obvious in the this paper by Hanson, he never directly mentions this perspective of looking at market scoring rules. Hanson's paper always talks about each individual user changing the price instead of trading shares. In general, I enjoyed reading this paper and the blog by Pennock. They are very well written and informative. |
Angela Ying |
This paper discussed two theorems concerning logarithmic market scoring rules, which are rules where the expected payoff is of the form a + blog(r), where r is the report of agent i. The particular advantage of logarithmic market scoring rules is the ease of betting on the probability of a combination of events, instead of a single event. Although most of the paper provides background information on general market scoring rules, the main contribution of this paper comes at the end, where the author provides the two theorems that prove properties about logarithmic market scoring rules, both which demonstrate that the independence of events is preserved, even when one makes a conditional bet on one given the other. Overall, I thought that this paper was slightly confusing - format-wise, it seemed that the paper focused much more on market scoring rules in general rather than specific logarithmic market scoring rules. I wonder if any of this will be tested in the future on real prediction markets, as logarithmic scoring would be rather confusing for the general public. |
Angela Ying |
This paper discussed the general concept of market scoring rules, a system designed to prevent the problems faced by simple scoring rules, including thin markets, because people are paying off each other rather than paying and taking money from a centralized market maker. This allows the market to retain information and encourages investors to stay in the market, even in a field with low liquidity. In addition, investors are given more freedom to choose the exact combination of probabilities to include in the rule, which aggregates many investors that otherwise may not have participated due to lack of interest on the part of other investors. This paper was a general survey of the different aspects of market scoring rules, and thus did not have one particular main contribution. I thought that the section on Avoiding Bankruptcy was particularly interesting, because to the authors, it seems that to gather a large number of people together to participate in a market with market scoring rules, the only collateral that can feasibly used is money. I think that using a system such as the eBay reputation system could be an effective way of avoiding this problem. Essentially, rather than avoiding bankruptcy altogether, the traders themselves have an indication of the likelihood of another trader filing for bankruptcy. Of course, as with the eBay system we run into problems where a person with a bad reputation simply creates multiple accounts, but we can add safeguards to recording reputation by requiring that a person's reputation can only be changed by another after a trade has successfully occurred. Over time, reputations of reliable traders would build, and those who would create multiple accounts have no incentive to amp up their reputations because they would have to pay transaction fees to the system in the process. |
Avner May |
This paper presented an overview of the theory behind different types of scoring rules. It highlighted the logarithmic scoring rule in particular, as it is the only proper scoring rule which some very special characteristics. For example, if someone makes a bet on event A given event B, this scoring rule will leave the probability of event B unchanged. This is desirable as when someone is making a bet on a specific probability in the large probability space, that is the only one which should be affected by a new bet. I think that this result is a very important one, with huge applications to the way these futures markets are organized; it would make the probability estimates of these systems more accurate, especially in cases where conditional probability futures are traded very often. I thought that the analysis of the problem from the market makers point of view was insightful; usually I have seen this type of problem simply discussed as an optimization problem by the trader, not paying much attention to the market maker. Finally, the two theorems presented, pertaining to the logarithmic scoring rule, are very insightful. |
Avner May |
In this paper, Hanson introduces the ideas of scoring rules and information markets, but points out the drawbacks to these systems – namely the thin market and irrational participation problems with information markets, and the thick market problem of scoring rules. He presents market scoring rules as a system which solves both of these problems, as it essentially behaves like a scoring rule in the case of a single trader, and like a market maker in the case of a group of traders. He discusses the advantages to logarithmic market scoring rules in particular, which he talked about in more depth in his previous paper. He then began to delve much more into issues of implementation of these markets, which I found to be extremely interesting, as well as the most valuable part of the paper. He wrote about the problem of the computation of arbitrary events in the extremely large probability space, acknowledging that once the probability space gets large enough (exponential in the number of random variables/possible values per random variable), it is impossible with today’s computers to store all possibly relevant conditional probabilities. However, since these probability distributions are usually quite sparse, the problem then becomes how to store as much useful information as possible in as little space. He presents two main options: limiting the probability distribution by only allowing traders to trade among a particular subfamily of distributions, as well as using several market makers. I was intrigued by the possibility of the same organization/person sponsoring several markets in order to process more information about the larger probability distribution in less space, with the downside of allowing arbitrage opportunities to arise within these markets. I found the main contribution of this paper to be the discussion of the implementation issues and computational difficulties of implementing these theoretically interesting markets. I think that a potential research topic could be testing the performance of these suggested implementation designs, and maybe trying out different variations, and seeing in which cases each performed best. |
Andrew Berry |
Although market scoring rules elicit desirable properties such as probability preservation and both aggregate and individual estimates of event probabilities, I can't help but wonder if the questions surrounding computational complexity limit the applications of such scoring rules. If updating prices and assets in combinatorial event space are NP-complete in the worst case, does this sort of defeat the cost improvements of rule application to combinatorial events once given base events? Perhaps not if the average case is reasonable. The math was a bit dense for me so I am unclear of how we are able to think of a market scoring rule as a "continuous inventory-based automated market maker," but given this thought it is clear how such a scoring rule can extract information implicit in other trades and produce consensus estimates. |
Andrew Berry |
I should have read this paper first because I thought this paper did an excellent job of explaining the benefits of market scoring rules. When discussing the costs of logarithmic scoring rules one of the benefits is that it does not change the probability, P(B), on which an event, A, is conditioned. Is this in effect an automatic hedge strategy? I know it is common for traders in financial markets to hedge out market exposure. . . would a logarithmic market scoring rule accomplish this automatically? Suppose we want P(stock A goes up | Dow goes up). According to this section of the paper one takes no risk regarding "Dow goes up" (and also the P(Dow goes up) isn't change). Can we infer anything about the complement bet regarding P(stock A goes down | Dow goes down)? My other main question in terms of limiting the probability distribution. The authors mention that one can deal with enormous state spaces by limit users to choosing distributions within a certain family. From a practical standpoint, what is lost from this restriction bias? One of the nice aspects of the market scoring rules mentioned is the ability to provide consensus estimates. How severely is this altered with such restrictions? Also, with these restrictions one would probably have to consider how many traders would cease to be market participants because restrictions may prevent them from making the bets they desire. |
Nikhil Srivastava |
This paper presents a market scoring rule that elicits probability estimates with two strong advantages. First, by using logarithmic payoffs, it achieves a "local" characteristic whereby agent bets do not affect the value of logically independent outcomes. Second, by accommodating estimates of conditional probabilities in all combinations (and at no extra cost), it is well-suited to extract information from agents who often frame uncertain outcomes in terms of conditional statements. One major limitation I saw was in the nature of the market procedures, specifically the stipulation that every trade had to be made "against" the current estimate. Ignoring the difficulty of scaling the system to large numbers of individuals, I imagine a large problem in probabilibity elicitation is a bandwagon effect whereby agents' estimates skew toward those already established. For example, the final outcome f(T) may depend on the initial estimate r(0). With a "single-threaded" process like LMSR, this might be exacerbated. (By the way, the author is an editor for the excellent and highly-recommended blog "Overcoming Bias" that should be especially interesting for economics students with opinions about rationality and preference.) |
Nikhil Srivastava |
This paper reviews market scoring rules as presented in Hanson 2002, and investigates variable representation, distribution limitation, and market segmentation as ways to limit computational complexity in the implementation of this theoretically tractable probability elicitation technique. I found the representation of variables to be especially interesting, given the way it tried to preserve one of the strengths of market scoring rules - the ability to consistently and independently incorporate conditional probability estimates - while making the system as simple as possible, i.e. by using a small number of variables to limit computational complexity. Some of the variable profiles seemed cleverly designed to capture a certain aspect of cognition - "somewhat", for example - and reminded me of complex options profiles. I found the discussion of methods to limit computational complexity to be a bit too idealistic, in that it mentioned a list of plausible ideas for most topics (distribution limitation, market segmentation, bankruptcy avoidance), but failed to present any theoretical or experimental work in support of them. The integration of all of them at the end into a summary proposal was nice - and sounded great - but it would be good to see some real results. |
Brett Harrison |
Modular Combinatorial Information Aggregation This paper presents a survey of scoring rules, betting markets, and the interface between the two: market scoring rules. The goal of proper scoring rules is to offer reward to the better that elicits the player to report his probability estimates truthfully. The authors show several scoring rules, including the well-known quadratic and logarithmic scoring rules. The authors proceed to favor the logarithmic score in that it has modularity with respect to player's conditional probability estimates, that is, in that it respects independence relations among events according to the player's beliefs. I found this paper hard to follow. As is the mistake with many survey papers, facts are dropped haphazardly throughout the paper without sufficient introduction or explanation. For example, what is the cost of a market scoring rule to the market maker? (It is frequently mentioned that the logarithmic scoring rule does not incur cost, but it is unclear where such a cost would come from. In fact, I found this whole paper to be difficult to follow, especially since the paper is not self-sufficient in terms of the background information it provides. I hope to see a better survey that reviews market scoring rules. |
Brett Harrison |
Combinatorial Information Market Design By Hanson This paper is similar in nature to Hanson's other paper that we had to read in that it outlines proposals for "market scoring rules", a combination of information markets and scoring rules in order to elicit true probabilities from experts while avoiding both the thin and thick market problems. Unlike the other paper, this paper is much more well-organized, much the information is much more clearly presented, and the language is much easier to follow. It is very clear now what the problems are associated with information markets, scoring rules, and the new market scoring rules described later on. Moreover, the author offers a clear outline of a suggested system that utilizes the market scoring rule in a real wold setting. As the author mentions at the end of the paper, it is uncertain how practical this system would become in real markets since the system is not intuitive. That is, a trader would have to choose the values of many parameters, several of which are unintuitive as it relates to the pure actions of buying and selling assets. Traders would have to become mathematical experts in this particular scoring rule in order to leverage opportunities in the markets, which could be substantially more difficult than in the simple information market models. I would like to see this market system implemented, which would require a lot of thought to be put into the user interface. |
Brian Young |
Logarithmic Market Scoring Rules for Modular Combinatorial Information Aggregation (Hanson) Like Hanson's other paper, this deals with market scoring rules, which are an attempt to combine the advantages of scoring rules and prediction markets. Of the proper scoring rules, Hanson points to logarithmic scoring rules, which have a number of desirable qualities that other such rules lack; he demonstrates that logarithmic rules allow trades to incorporate conditional probabilities. Again, though, including more variables and conditionals will result in a substantial blowup in complexity. I was able to follow Hanson's arguments, and I found them reasonably persuasive. I found this paper much more accessible after reading David Pennock's description of how to implement market scoring rules as a market maker -- trying to imagine trading "scoring rules", even in Hanson's "infinitesimal fair bet" formulation (2), made it seem too complicated to be at all practical. |
Brian Young |
A scoring rule can convince an agent to reveal her beliefs, but it cannot be used to combine multiple agents' beliefs into a single consensus. A prediction market can combine the knowledge of many agents, but it cannot always induce any individual agent to reveal her beliefs. Hanson suggests that a "sequentially shared scoring rule" (110), or a market scoring rule, can be used to solve both these problems. Hanson describes a few limitations on his results: computational complexity prevents markets from becoming as thick as we might desire, since as we incorporate more variables, we increase our state space exponentially. His suggested method of dealing with this problem is to have several market scoring rules, relying on the system to avoid inconsistencies between them by finding and exploiting arbitrage opportunities. This seems rather lax, since having multiple scoring rules makes it almost certain that such inconsistencies will eventually arise. It's unclear to me that we can altogether prevent these from being exploited by users. Towards the end of the paper (116), Hanson discusses how later bettors can influence previous bettors by changing the market scoring rule; he concludes that the best solution is to allow all new bets and trust that previous users will take action to "mitigate the externalities such changes produce on them" (117). It is not immediately clear to me how this translates to the market-maker implementation described by Pennock, but it seems to me that it yet again leaves room for the savvy investor to profit through exploiting the market structure, rather than merely by making accurate predictions. Further analysis might, as Hanson suggests, focus on how to minimize such inefficiencies. |
Nick Wells |
Simple scoring rules are where individuals make a probability estimate and then are paid according to the outcome of the actual event. Market scoring rules differ from this in that betters have an incentive to achieve marginal improvements to their predictions, and betting is not necessarily matched to another person. Part of the goal of these rules is to improve the probability estimation of the bets. With the market scoring rules, we achieve a probability inference that works well in combining bets to create an estimate. The computational cost of performing the combinatorial analysis, however, can be high. This paper proposes an innovative market scoring rule, however, further discussion of these rules would be beneficial to me in understanding them more fully. |
Nick Wells |
This paper surveys market scoring rules and then looks at design problems. Market scoring rules systematically allow us to aggregate information from agents' actions. Combinatorial and simple scoring rules have different problems, which are avoided by market scoring rules avoid. Hanson, also proposes a design for a set of market scoring rules which includes a set of logarithmic market scoring rules, agents choosing of and refining the different variables, the allowance of arbitrage opportunities between rules to avoid inconsistency in probability distributions, etc. This paper seems to present an innovative framework for designing a set of market scoring rules and contrasts it with the other models used. I don't fully understand the technical formulation of the different rules, so further discussion would be helpful. |
Hao-Yuh Su |
This paper provides a mechanism that aggregates crowd wisdom on prediction market. Firstly, the logarithmic market scoring rules (LMSR) offers incentives for players to improve previous prediction. Players with better predictions than previous one will receive positive net profit, while those with worse predictions will receive negative net profit. This rule acts like a continuous automatic market maker. In addition, it is not limited by the number of predictors. Even if there is only one participant, the predictor is also willing to make the truthful prediction because of the incentives. Secondly, it is difficult to manipulate under LMSR, since one has to revert previous predictions and pay money repeatedly until the end of the game. In sum, LMSR not only improves the correctness of predictions, but also prevent the market from being manipulated. In LMSR, the logarithmic scoring rule is implemented, which has been briefly introduced in previous lecture. LMSR can be applied in any prediction market and furthermore, strategies decision. One project idea I can think of is that I can develop a prediction market of the US president election within a small group of friends. There are several advantages to use LMSR. It is relatively applicable since it doesn't have any limitation on the number of participants and it allows continuous infinitesimal trades between predictors, which can generate as many data points as possible. |
Hao-Yuh Su |
In this paper, Hanson adds details about the practical points of view on the logarithmic market scoring rules (LMSR). He develops several measures to fix the problems that might occur in LMSR. Firstly, the author developed two methods to limit the state spaces- one is limiting the probability and the other is having several market scoring rules. The later seem to be better than the first one since it has an efficient way to limit the arbitrage opportunities. In the second part, the author made a small adjustment to the market scoring rules to avoid bankruptcy in the market. In sum, Hanson has introduced detailed procedures to implement LMSR. However, there are some shortcomings in this paper. The first is that the way to prevent bankruptcy may also discourage participants from making small changes on previous predictions. It is still an open question to decide the appropriate amount of collateral. The second is that the context doesn't include the users' point of view, such as question like "how to investigate the probability distribution over the set of all variable value combination," or "how to decide whether they have enough collateral to make corresponding changes." I think there might be several ways to utilize this paper. The most obvious way is to apply this mechanism on real prediction market. Furthermore, we can investigate this mechanism from users' perspective. We may try to develop a proper strategy to participate the prediction market under LMSR. |
Haoqi Zhang |
The main contribution of this paper is the introduction of market scoring rules as a way to combine the effects of scoring rules for eliciting probability estimates from individuals and that of markets to get consensus from a good. The intuition is that by having each agent make a fair bet in reporting his information, agents are sharing their information one at a time in fair local trades, whereas the cost for elicitation this information is the same as if we had just elicited from one person with the same final value. In considering market scoring rules, the author focuses on the logarithmic scoring rule which has the feature that conditional probabilities and conditional independence relations are preserved in the elicitation process, which allows one to elicit base probabilities that can then be combined to get probabilities over combinations of the base events. One thing that wasn't clear to me from the paper is just what are the computational costs? Also, are the conditional independence relationships in essense being used to build a bayes net? |
Haoqi Zhang |
This paper considers the problem of combinatorial information markets in which the desired estimate is the entire joint probability distribution over all variables. However, given there are so many combinations of events, certain markets will not be traded heavily, and other ones will suffer from overtrading (irrational trading). To deal with this, the author suggests using a log market scoring rule, the intuition behind which is that by letting people choose a scoring rule by paying off the last person who used their rule. Here the sequential changing of the scoring rule can be seen as the market maker facilitating trades between individuals where at any point the cost of buying or selling shares is computed using a logarithmic function of the share outstanding. Then, the authors discuss the use of Bayes nets to limit the influences of variables on each other to better capture the structure of the variable's relations so as to allow for tractable estimation when using a logarithmic market scoring rule. However, I found this discussion somewhat lacking - where does this bayes net come from? Is the complexity problem really resolved? |
Rory Kulz |
The main contribution of this paper is to introduce a new "big idea:" market scoring rules. For forecasting and information aggregation, they combine the best of scoring rules (which are good at elucidating individual probability estimates but are difficult or impossible to aggregate) and market mechanisms (which are good at aggregating but fail in thin market cases and in practice suffer from irrational participants). The basic idea is to mix the theoretical guarantees on incentives of scoring rules with a means for information exchange over time; the paper then goes on to show how this can be implemented essentially as an automated market maker. Unlike the other paper we read, Hanson here is primarily concerned with demonstrating a number of nice properties of his market scoring rules. The main result demonstrates that market scoring rules which are derived from logarithmic proper scoring rules are in some ways the most natural; in particular, any market scoring rule that satisfies some weak criteria for preserving conditional independence relations must be logarithmic. The applications are obvious, but the implementation much less so: how to overcome the computational complexity involved when dealing with a doubly-exponential state space size? This leads us to Hanson's follow up paper, which I review in my next email. |
Rory Kulz |
Continuing from the last paper, Hanson again goes over why proper scoring rules and information markets are useful, citing for example the paper we read on the Iowa Electronic Markets. Again, he goes over the fundamental ideas behind market scoring rules and touches on why they work well, citing his 2002 paper's theoretical contributions. But what Hanson primarily tries to do here is explain some considerations for actually implementing such a system: how can we break up variable values? How can we manage the number of possible states and the probability distributions? (Here Hanson reduces the event space with some reasonable constraints and applies a technique using sparse directed graphs based on Bayes' rule to lower the space complexity of the problem.) Finally, Hanson investigates ways to prevent exploitation of a market scoring rule by, for example, users who cannot pay their losses (or users looking to exploit probability approximations, a technique Hanson rules out for reducing complexity). There is definitely a lot in this paper, but also a lot that isn't: it's still not clear to me exactly how such a market would function. How are users to be expected to be able to navigate rationality such a large collection of possible actions? Would this really work in practice? Has this been put into practice somewhere in the intervening years? I haven't delved into this yet, but I plan to; hopefully the presentation tomorrow will discuss this? And if not, this might be an interesting project to conduct on, say, a class scale. |
Zhenming Liu |
Both papers address the logarithmic market scoring rules and discuss some of this rule’s nice properties. It is interesting to see the patron’s cost to implement a market with scoring rules is closely related to the notion of entropy. It is perhaps not surprising to see logarithmic scoring rules is the unique form that satisfies the properties mentioned in the papers given that information theorists and physicists already proved uniqueness of entropy function. A natural extension is to ask whether there are corresponding prediction markets for other forms of entropy like Renyi entropy (e.g., we only cares whether all events are equally likely to happen; but we don’t really care which one happens). An inherited difficulty for this problem is that the probability space is huge and many functions become infeasible to compute. The curse of probability space (and the curse of dimensionality) is not uncommon in the study of statistics or computer science. To my knowledge, there is so far not any generalized scheme to approach this problem. And I don’t think Hanson is doing a good job in dealing with this problem either --- from the theory side, Bayesian net is probably the first thought for those who want to approach this problem; from the practice side, I am not convinced to ask traders to understand Bayesian net before they trade. I am viewing the computational challenge an inherited problem of trying to represent the probability space concisely. If the entropy of the probability space is too huge, we cannot really do much to have a compressed representation of the probability space. Another possible way to deal with the complexity issues of scoring rules maybe is to parameterize how much information the patron wants to obtain (i.e., maybe it is acceptable to see the running time/space is polynomial to the entropy of the random variable to be elicited). On the other hand, the notion of indistinguishability in computational complexity maybe is relevant in this context. There are two types of indistinguishability between two probability ensembles. The first one says if two probability ensembles are statistically close, they are “indistinguishable”; the second one, a relaxed version, says if no efficient computer programs can tell the difference between these two ensembles, these two ensembles shall be treated as identical. In a market with scoring rules, our goal is essentially to elicit a probability ensemble that is statistically close to the true one. Maybe there could also be a prediction market that only elicits a probability ensemble that is computationally close to the true one, in which case we might overcome the “curse of dimensionality”. The relationship between the amounts of money the patron invests and the efficiency of the market is also desired to investigate. When the patron doubles the investment, he/she probably either wants to see the market is faster to converge or the result is closer to the real distribution. So far I cannot see the market described in the paper has this property. Finally, some part of Hanson’s discussion really sounds not relevant. For example, in [Hanson 2003] he discussed the issue of “bankruptcy”, which I think is not an uncommon problem in stock market. I suspect a naïve reputation system would work well (e.g., if you don’t pay this time, you cannot play next time). [Hanson 2002] Robin Hanson “Logarithmic Market Scoring rules for modular combinatorial information aggregation”. [Hanson 2003] Robin Hanson “Combinatorial information market design”. |
Subhash Arja |
The main purpose of this paper is to describe scoring rules and characteristics of information markets in order to combine the advantages of the two by using market scoring rules. The authors state that one advantage of information markets include giving the participants incentive to be honest. This is mainly because the traders must invest their own money and stand to lose it by trying to inject false information into the markets. Also, information markets tend to be self selective, since those that dabble in a market that they known nothing about tend to lose large sums of money. The authors also analyze the enormity of the state spaces that result from market scoring rules. This can be solved by allowing only a particular family of distribution functions and having several market scoring rules. Overall, I found the paper informative from a technical and tangible application standpoint. However, I did not fully understand some of the analysis on the scoring rules equation. This may mainly be because I don't have a strong game theory or economics background. -Subhash Arja |
Victor Chan |
Victor Chan Comment: Logarithmic Market Scoring Rules for Modular Combinatorial Information Aggregation The main contribution of this paper was to explain the use of market scoring rules for combinatorial information aggregation. The paper further elaborates on how market scoring rules act as a continuous inventory based automated market maker. Market scoring rules present their consensus estimates when the price to change something is reached, and no one else is willing to take the risk to change the price higher. The paper also talks about the cost of implementing logarithmic market scoring rules, and it is found that no additional financial cost is required; however the computation complexity is a limiting factor, when dealing with such combinatorial information sets. Finally it is shown that logarithmic market scoring rules preserve the conditional independence relations of events. The main limitation of the paper was that there was no experimental data. It would have been nice to have experiments that provided results which follow the theorems or formulas presented. The main insight of the paper was the value of market scoring rules. It was unclear at first how the market scoring rules could actually be implemented and used in a real world situation; however this is explained in Hanson’s 2003 paper, on combinatorial information market design. |
Victor Chan |
Victor Chan Comments: Combinatorial Information Market Design The main contribution of the paper is that it deals with market design to create a combinatorial information market. This is important since traditional information markets suffer from thin market and irrational participation problems, so it will not give a good estimate of the overall probability of all combinations of values. The article further discusses the use of simple scoring rules and market scoring rules, where it is explained that market scoring rules are better suited combinatorial information market design. Furthermore, the paper introduces several designs for the market, including how to choose the market scoring rules, and how patrons will interact with the market (ie how to place bets). The limitation of the paper was that it did not present any data to back up the claims. Most of the ideas presented seemed to be from a review paper perspective. The main insight of this paper trying to design a market that used multiple market scoring rules, to gather information about a probability distribution of a set of events (covering all states). The obvious application of this paper would be to build such a said market, and allow user to trade on it, to overcome the issues that were explained about prediction markets. One project idea would be to see the effects of sudden influx of irrational traders on this type of a market. The IEM seemed to have failed when this occurred during the 1996 Election, when sudden influx of new users, drove the predictions off. It would be interesting to see if such a problem exists in this system. |
Xiaolu Yu |
Logarithmic Market Scoring Rules for Modular Combinatorial Information Aggregation Motivated by the empirical successes of scoring rules and betting markets, the author invented a wonderful market maker well suited for use in prediction market applications -- the logarithmic market scoring rule market maker. Market makers always have public offers to buy or to sell, and update these prices in response to trades. The paragraph clearly describes the process of market scoring rules to produce consensus estimate says that while each person is always free to change the current estimate, doing so requires taking on more risk, and eventually everyone reaches a limit where they do not want to make further changes, at least not until they receive further information. At this point the market can be said to be in equilibrium. The market scoring rule can be expressed as that a group of forecasters could sequentially share a common forecast, with a scoring rule used to reward forecasters for incremental improvements made to the forecast. The interesting point here is the total cost to pay for T reports depends only on the initial and final reports, and is thus the same as the cost for one final report with the same final values. Logarithmic rules only change the probabilities of events where people betting took a risk. Regarding a bet on one event given another event, only a logarithmic rule preserves the probability of the give event. It also preserves the conditional probabilities of further events, and so preserves conditional independence relations. One advantage of logarithmic rules is there is no additional cost to elicit estimates on all combinations of the base events for which probability estimates are invited. How to best minimize and allocate the computational cost of updating scoring rules in combinatorial spaces remains an open question. One application of market scoring rules I noticed is inkling markets. |
Xiaolu Yu |
Combinatorial Information Market Design Market scoring rules is presented in this paper in detail. The importance of market scoring rules is that it overcomes major problems and limitations of scoring rules and information markets by becoming automated market makers facilitating trades between the people who are using the scoring rule in the thick market case, and simple scoring rules in the thin market case. The "thin market" problem and "irrational participation" problem within the standard information markets, as well as the "thick market" problem with the scoring rules are well addressed in the market scoring rules. Market scoring rules are essentially sequentially shared scoring rules, in which each user only pays off the previous user. Under a market scoring rule, people always want to honestly report their beliefs to maximize their expected value of payoff, the same as they do for a simple scoring rule. Given the computational complexity when a large amount of variables are present, there are two basic approaches to dealing with enormous state spaces. One is to choose a particular family of probability distribution from which users are limited to choose. It is necessary to have a policy of only allowing bets on probabilities that one can exactly compute in order to keep patron from becoming a money pump – make money via arbitrage. Another approach is to have several market scoring rules dealing with different parts of the same total state space. All the market makers could be made consistent with each other via waves of arbitrage passing through a network of market makers. This arbitrage wave could even propagate to their neighbors if this produced a large enough change. Some implementation issues include allowing past bets to be used as collateral for future bets, and users with bets using old structures need to mitigate the negative externalities caused by structure change. What confused me is that this paper does not spend a lot of time explaining how the market scoring rules, such as logarithmic market scoring rule (very useful and widely applied in practice) functions as a market maker in the typical sense. However, this idea is well suited for use in prediction market applications can be used as a market maker. The logarithmic market scoring rule market maker, for example, can be used in a standard prediction market setting. It is now being used in several places, including an implementation at InklingMarkets, the Washington Stock Exchange, BizPredict, and (reportedly) at YooNew. |
Ziyad Aljarboua |
This paper considers a logarithmic version of market scoring rules and discusses modularity of market scoring rules. In market scoring rules, anyone can change the official report and his/her pay will be correspond to the new report. This fact eliminates the need for matching bets. Just like the previous paper, this paper shows that the market scoring rules combine the advantages of both simple scoring rules and betting markets. It is shown in this paper that market scoring rules doe not cost more to implement when compared to simple scoring rules. Once one pays to create a logarithmic rule, there is not additional cost to apply that rule to all possible combinations of the base events. For other rules, the cost depends on the number of base events for which probability estimates are invited. This paper briefly address a limitation of market scoring rules that the previous paper also addressed: large computational costs of updating market scoring rues in combinatorial event spaces. |
Ziyad Aljarboua |
This paper discuss a new model of Information Markets, markets that aggregate information and allow traders to hedge risk and speculators to profit from the market by predicting future price. The introduction piece of this paper discusses some shortcomings of the information market and the scoring rules when used separetly such as irrational participation and thin market problems. Mainly, this paper explains a new technology: market scoring rules that combines advantages of both information market and scoring rules. Information markets provide a tool to combine diverse opinions into single probability distribution. This is a problem that scoring rules lack. This is done by repeated interaction between agents. With repeated interaction, they tend to converge to a identical estimates since they are rrational agents. According to the author, this technology solves the thin market and irrational participation problems with the information market and the thick market problem with the scoring rules. As shown on figure 1, market scoring rule combines the advantages of both methods and solves the problems with opinion pool problem and thin market problem. The ultimate goal of this model is to reveal what people know. This model is based on rewarding agents for correct answers according to a scoring rule that is constrained by inventive compatibility and ational participation. if agents do not participate, the receive zero reward. the market scoring rules are described in terms of probability distribution over states that are defined by combinations of variable values. for a market scoring rule, current probability distribution can be inspected at any time and can also be modified by by making new report. an agent is incentiviced to give his/her honest opinion because he/she cannot change the previous report. the paper discusses some limitations to the market scoring rules. one is a computational issue that arise when variables are too many and each has several values. this approach of the market scoring rules for this will become infeasible as the state spaces is large and the computation cannot be performed on current computers. The paper also offers a solution to limit the states space by carefully selection probability distribution and limiting user's selection of those distributions. Also, another way to avoid large state spaces is have several overlapping market scoring rules. |
Michael Aubourg |
Fact : Repeated exchanges of human opinion in conversation do not produce the degree of convergence predicted by theory. Contrary to this, the betting market create good probability estimates. The author here, follow an original way : he banks more on the empiricism than on the theory. In short, Market scoring rules are scoring rules where anyone can change the current report, and be paid according to their new report, as long as he agrees to pay the last person reporting to that person's report. I think this last condition is very important, because this push people to improve continuously the information quality. The more you change the report, the more you have to be sure, since many people have already changed it. The great difference with a standard betting market is that the cost of this market depends only on the informativeness of the last report and does not depend on the frequency of use. The other positive point with logarithmic rules, is that bets on some events do not change conditional independence relations between other events. Among all proposed rule, only the logarithmic rule is the only one that can simultaneously reward agents and evaluate them via standard likelihood methods which is great. Market scoring rules produce consensus estimates in the same way that betting markets produce consensus estimates. How can we define an equilibrium in the market ? When no one want to make further changes, not until they receive further information, the market can be said to be in equilibrium. Since the entropy is a linear function, the maximum expected cost for the full combinatorial repport r={ri}, which reports on the probability of all base variable value combinations is no more than the cost for the base-only reports. conclusion : There is no need to find another person willing to make a matching bet, as in betting markets. This market lets anyone make any infinitesimal fair bet at the odds in the last report, with no need to find a counter party. The computational costs for updating the market can be very large, depending on the event spaces. Question raised : How to devise market scoring rules that minimize such computational costs ? How to allocate those costs ? |
Michael Aubourg |
Topic : Combinatorial Information Market. What are the goal ? Combinatorial Information Market has to aggregate information on the entire joint probability distribution over many variables by allowing bets on all variable value combinations. Auxiliary goals : - To overcome the thin market - To overcome irrational participation problems. The forecasts from real financial markets, are more accurate than the ones from professional. For this reason, Information Markets, tried to copy their pattern, in order to gather accurate informations. The market scoring rules combine the advantages of standard information markets and scoring rules. The task of the paper is to induce people in the market, to acquire and reveal information relevant to estimating certain random variables. Advantages of scoring rules : 1) People will try to reach P=r 2) People will be incentives to acquire information they would not otherwise possess. We have to learn that the best scoring rule is the logarithm one because it allows to reward an agent and to evaluate his performance. Like scoring rules, Informations Markets push people to be honest. So how does a market scoring rule behave ? Like an automated inventory-based market maker who stands ready to make any tiny fair bets at its current probabilities. A market scoring rule is actually an automated market maker which deal an all of the assets linked to a state space. One good approach is to have several market scoring rules. This is especially useful with enormous potential states. What are the limit ? Simple scoring rules suffer from opinion pool problems., in the thick market case. questions raised : by the way how does the user interface look like ? |
Travis May |
Following up on the Combinatorial Information Market Design paper, this paper provides a detailed mechanism through which a scoring market could be created. As mentioned in my other post, this has immense practical value, if properly implemented, as many corporations and policy-setters could benefit from knowing joint probability distributions. Unfortunately, this market has a major limitation that was not adequately addressed. Notably, even though thin markets are not as large an issue for scoring markets as prediction markets, there is still a substantial value to being able to reach a large number of market participants (it may be especially important to be able to reach a large percentage of market participants in markets where traders have different information sets). However, the nature of the scoring market will substantially reduce the number of participants due to its complexity. There is a simple, intuitive understanding that average intelligent people have about prediction markets, and the concept of betting on an outcome can be quickly and neatly explained, and new participants can easily be induced. Scoring markets, however, do not have any such intuitive simplicity, and the concept of trading probability distributions would baffle most of the public that does not know what a probability distribution is. Under some conditions, this could be an acceptable outcome. However, if the set of experts with the most information about the likely outcome does not overlap with the set of finance experts, such markets could be doomed. Thus, despite their theoretical appeal, the added complexity of these markets may make limit their ability to synthesize useful predictions. |
Travis May |
This paper provides an intriguing methodology for eliciting a joint probability distribution with several different possible events taking place - an idea that has much practical value. Individuals are often interested in soliciting conditional probabilities, which may be used for decision-making purposes in practice. For example, in order to assess a new incentives scheme, a company might be interested in the difference of expected results GIVEN the incentive scheme and the results given no incentive scheme. Currently, eliciting such information is difficult. Scoring rules provide incentives for probability distributions to be revealed, but they do not provide a cost-effective mechanism of simultaneously receiving input from multiple users. In contrast, prediction markets allow mass input into a consensus probability, but do not perform effectively in thin markets - meaning that only a small set of assets can be traded and making it difficult to gather joint probability distributions. The novelty of this paper is to propose a mechanism that merges the benefits of both system: in scoring markets, the input of both a crowd and an individual can be solicited at a modest price. If properly implemented, this could have useful benefits to corporations, policy-setters, academics, and others with an interest in determining joint probabilities. Furthermore, this could play a substantial role in real financial markets: due to the large number of joint distributions and implied correlations that are assumed by market participants (especially quants, who use mathematical models to trade), a scoring market could provide a way to hedge major assumptions made by traders. For instance, a market could be created (using binary outcomes, such as price thresholds) that looks at the joint distribution of oil prices, equity prices, and bond prices, testing traders' assumptions about the correlations between these markets. |